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Showing posts with label Rabia Chaudry. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rabia Chaudry. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 9, 2014

Ten Things About the Hartman Program by Rabia Chaudry

Bold conversations produce bold results and bold solutions, whether they get implemented or not, but they brings clarity to the issue.  If  you genuinely want to find solutions, lay it out on the table, don't hold it. 

A few bold statements by Rabia Chaudry:

  • We did not mince words. Occupation, disenfranchisement, colonization, genocide, apartheid. It was all said and done.  But it was said and done between people who now had grown to respect each other. So the words didn’t fall on deaf ears. And we also were not deaf to their words.
  • None of us, including Hartman staff and leadership, knew how this program would play out.  Hartman of course had it’s agenda, and we all had ours.

  • This is the cost of trying to work in gray spaces, I knew it, and I accepted it.
  • Israel relies on unconditional US support, which is based greatly on pressure by American Jewry. But that support is changing, wavering, uncertain. Israelis know it and worry about it internally.
  • A 700 word blog post, with a title I strongly opposed, cannot include and cover every single emotion, discussion, and experience of a year long program.  
Well done Rabia

Mike Ghouse committed to building cohesive societies.





As Twitter continues it’s meltdown over my Time article yesterday, which I fully expected, I thought it may be best to address some of the concerns, criticisms, and rage about the article and the program itself.  So here is a list of ten things that are important to understand as you think about this program. I ask you to momentarily put aside your angst and take the time to absorb this:


1) The MLI program was not created by Shalom Hartman. It was envisioned and created by Imam Abdullah Antepli of Duke University who saw an opportunity to work with an institution that is both influential in Israel and with American Jews, and provides the space to discuss the conflict with people we otherwise are never in the same room with. The program and curriculum was further developed with the leadership of another Muslim, Dr. Homayra Ziad. It was designed keeping our concerns and sensibilities in mind, included meeting with Palestinians, and traveling to the West Bank. Before accepting, many of the participants consulted with national and international Muslim leaders who overwhelmingly urged us to be part of it.

2) Though the cohort was ethnically diverse, it did not include Arabs or Palestinians. Not because they were not invited but because a number of them were prevented for personal reasons (taking off for two weeks at the beginning and end of the year to be in Jerusalem just not possible for some folks because of work and family), others were not comfortable being part of the pilot cohort but intend on being part of it in the future, and of course some outright disagreed with the program.  The 2015 cohort does include Arab Americans.  And we have all been privately supported by Palestinians who support the program, but cannot risk doing it publicly.

3) None of us, including Hartman staff and leadership, knew how this program would play out.  Hartman of course had it’s agenda, and we all had ours.  As I said in my previous Patheos piece, we participated for different reasons. But from the time we began until it was over, there was no clear mission statement for the program because it was entirely experimental. We were not expected to do anything in particular with what we experienced.  It was left up to us.  Some folks asked if I was expected to write about this. I only started contributing to Time a few months ago, but beyond that fact let it be known that I insisted on writing the piece and had to convince others involved to let me proceed.  But at no time have we ever been told what to do or how to do it.

4) It was also kept under wraps for the most part because it was risky for all involved. Hartman lost funding, donors, and board members over this program. One of the organizers, Yossi Klein Halevi, lost credibility, friends, and supporters when he wrote this piece along with Imam Abdullah. Rabbi Sharon Brous, one of our lecturers, was destroyed in the Israeli media when she wrote a piece sympathetic to Gazans. Hartman is being accused of hosting terrorist sympathizers and we are being accused of being Occupation sympathizers.  This is the cost of trying to work in gray spaces, I knew it, and I accepted it.

5) Not a single one of us was there to speak for Palestinians. We can’t do that. We also can’t make a direct difference in what’s happening on the ground there. But we did constantly convey our support for Palestinians and our disgust and anger at Israeli policies.  We did not mince words. Occupation, disenfranchisement, colonization, genocide, apartheid. It was all said and done.  But it was said and done between people who now had grown to respect each other. So the words didn’t fall on deaf ears. And we also were not deaf to their words. We aren’t, as I said in my piece on Jerusalem previously, arrogant enough to think we can solve a complex conflict. But if the standard for activism is “if you can’t fix it, go home”, I’d say not only will nothing ever change, but other pro-Palestinian activism fails that bar too.

6) Most of us recognize the only real impact we can have, other than on our hosts themselves, is on discourse in the US between American Muslims and Jews. This is not insignificant.  Israel relies on unconditional US support, which is based greatly on pressure by American Jewry. But that support is changing, wavering, uncertain. Israelis know it and worry about it internally. J Street is emerging as a new American Jewish consciousness, one that can replace AIPAC, and one that can gain momentum with the support of American Muslims.

7) For those of us who work on interfaith initiatives, being able to use the language of Zionism to remind Jews of the ethical and moral callings of their faith is vital.  For some Jews being Zionist means unconditional support for the state of Israel. For others it means a connection to the biblical land of Israel. Both may identify as Zionists, but they mean very different things. I can understand this distinction because while I feel a rightful connection to Mecca and Madina, I oppose many policies of the Saudi state.  When it comes to Zionism, our best bet is to urge Jews to be critical of Israeli policies while still allowing them to call themselves Zionists.  In the same way you’ll never get Muslims to relinquish the tenant of jihad (Islamophobes and counter-terror folks will just have to accept that), we will not get Zionists to give up that word. But we may be able to help them think about it differently.

8) People are very upset that we traveled to Israel and were hosted by an Israeli institute. Let’s be clear. We were not hosted by the Israeli government, the IDF, or any other governmental organization. Hartman is an educational institute. We don’t agree with everything it stands for, and internally they don’t all agree with each other. Regardless, it’s true that it is based in a country that emerged out of the Nakba, and a country that continues to devastate Palestinians on a daily basis. It is just as true as the fact that I was born in, and continue to visit, Pakistan, a country that oppresses and allows the persecution of minorities and women.  And equally as true that I was raised in, live in, and raise my daughters in the US, a country that was built on two genocides, the only nation to ever have used nuclear weapons on civilians, and the greatest military aggressor in the world.* Its all true. Nation states are often awful entities. But in every nation state are people who work to make it better.

9) Which brings me to BDS – a movement working hard to change conditions for Palestinians.  How can I support BDS while studying at an Israeli institute? Divestment and boycott by institutions and internationally known personalities can and will have an impact, not the boycott of one unknown Rabia Chaudry. The only influence and impact I could possibly have on this issue is building relationships that humanize Muslims and Palestinians for Israeli supporters. Being part of this program, understanding their narrative and internal debates, helps me do that. And BDS is does not have one face, it can be exercised in many ways.  The recent divestment by the Presbyterian church is based on selling it’s stock in three companies whose products are used in the occupied territories, but still supports interfaith cooperation, Israel’s “right to exist”**, and does not ban travel to Israel. In the same way I can both respect Muslim activists who boycott working with federal agencies and Muslim activists who work closely with federal agencies because I know they both want the same final outcome, I respect and understand both BDS activists and those who continue to dialogue. Because we all want the same final outcome.

10) A 700 word blog post, with a title I strongly opposed, cannot include and cover every single emotion, discussion, and experience of a year long program. The Time piece was meant to focus on how building a relationship allowed us (us as in specifically the people involved in the program, not all Jews and all Muslims as some idiot out there will jump to fight about) to hear the other side for the first time.  For those who are pointing out every injustice against Palestinians I failed to include, a couple of things: the piece was heavily edited by Time, which is normal but it still included the following crimes: the nakba, an ethnic cleansing, a brutal occupation, militarized neighborhoods, checkpoints, political prisoners, daily humiliation, blockades, collective punishment, stolen resources. I pointed to Palestinians being full of rightful rage (and yeah Israelis should be afraid of millions of their victims, which is the point I was trying to make) as a “young, unemployed, restricted, dislocated population which carries with it the pain of generations”. I mentioned the restricted access to Aqsa that we witnessed. In many ways the piece was heavily critical of Israel. But instead of focusing on the fact that Time would publish such a critical piece of Israel, something to applaud them about, critics are focused on the fact that I learned a new version of Zionism I had not previously heard about. As if suddenly we all walked away honorary Israelis, no longer concerned about justice for Palestine.  Missing the forest for the trees is something we seemed to have mastered.

The Time piece was a beginning, and I plan to write other pieces on different issues. What I learned from the Palestinians we met, what I learned about internal Israeli conversations, how I experienced the religious sites, etc.  There is more, there is much more to say.  Including much to say about the current collective punishment being delivered upon Khalil, and the ongoing devastation and crimes against Gaza. But despite the bullying, the anger, the concerns and criticisms by both Muslims and Jews, I stand by this program.  I deeply respect the sentiments of activists who oppose the program, and I understand why they strongly disagree with this methodology. But I hope, at least, that they’ll accept our intentions are the same as theirs.

*If you live in the US and are critical of people who visit Israel, I’d ask you to at least be consistent in your principles. Move from the US. Or don’t accept invitations from US government entities. Or refuse to pay taxes. Or destroy your American passport. Or never travel to any nation state that has a terrible human rights record. You get the point. 

**The “right to exist” language is beyond problematic. But that discussion can’t be done in a footnote. Future post inshaAllah.

What a Muslim American Learned from Zionists

URL - http://israel-palestine-dialogue.blogspot.com/2014/07/what-muslim-american-learned-from.html

Rabia Chaudry's experience is similar to mine,  indeed, it took me an hour to read her article as I was imagining and relating with her experience.  I particularly like this statement, "The Muslim fellows understood Jewish fear and the Jews’ deep desire for a homeland after thousands of years of being a mistrusted minority. And Israeli Jews affirmed to us the daily devastation of the occupation and the shattering of Palestinians through which Israel was born. These exchanges between Zionists and pro-Palestinians were monumental."

The interfaith work is still in shallow waters, no one has the guts to talk about the issues openly. Both the Jewish and Muslim friends are way too eager to be offended and shut the conversation down . God willing I will include this experience in my book about Jewish Muslim relations.

Rabia is 100% right on this, "In the U.S., interfaith work means talking about everything except Zionism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It shows the deep flaws in current interfaith models when the most burning issue remains unspoken."

Indeed, the word Zionism is misunderstood even by Jews, just as the word Jihad is misunderstood even by Muslims. The problem is not with Zionism but the extremists among the Zionists, just as the problem is not with Islam, but with the extremists among Muslims. We cannot stereotype either group.

When I undertook to commemorate Holocaust and Genocides in 2006 and every year since then, some of the right wing* Muslim friends unleashed propaganda against me, one of them said, "You are not a Muslim if you don't talk about the Palestinians" and the right wing Jewish friends were not any less, some of them even harassed me and pushed me to the end, so I can say "you people" and they can nail me as anti-Semite. Both sides failed, as I do not have a bone of bias in me against a single soul. I continue to work with people understanding their fears and deficiencies.

Neither of the right wingers* were willing to listen, as if they don't want good things to happen. They did not even want to know about the program but were rendering judgments.  |
I hope some day, I could be a billionth of a catalyst in bringing security to the Israelis and justice to the Palestinians, neither will happen without the other.

Most of my work on this issue is at  www.IsraelPalestineDialogue.com and www.HolocaustandGenocides.com. My story is at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-ghouse/holocaust-and-the-muslim-_b_4629509.html#es_share_ended 

* right wingers broadly means, those who are set in their ways, and unwilling to see another point of view.

I am deeply committed to building cohesive societies where no human has to live in apprehension or fear of the other, all my work is indexed at www.MikeGhouse.net

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What a Muslim American Learned from Zionists
Courtesy of Time Magazine - http://time.com/2917600/muslim-american-zionists/

Rabia  Chaudry

During a visit to an institute in Israel, I gained a new perspective on a belief that I once saw as toxic.

How probable is it to get ardent Zionists and pro-Palestinians to not just talk to one another, but love and respect one another? Not likely. That’s why the Shalom Hartman Institute launched a controversial but groundbreaking program to bring American Muslim thought and civic leaders to Jerusalem for a year-long fellowship. For many, the program was a hard sell given sensitivities and loyalties on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I hesitated joining because Hartman is an unapologetically Zionist institution and, like all the participants, I have been committed to the Palestinian cause throughout my life. Other than posing an ethical dilemma, it also required putting our credibility with the Muslim community on the line and opening dialogue with Zionists, a thought once an anathema to our sensibilities.

Zionism is a toxic word in the pro-Palestinian community; it stands for an opportunistic land-grab in the wake of the Holocaust from people who had nothing to do with that tragedy. To us, it stands for the nakba, a catastrophe, for the Palestinian people. It stands for an ethnic cleansing, a brutal occupation, militarized neighborhoods, checkpoints, political prisoners, daily humiliation, blockades, collective punishment, stolen resources. I have always been proudly anti-Zionist.

Through the fellowship I learned that Zionism means something very different for Jews. The Jewish people’s longing of thousands of years for a homeland, a return from exile, a sanctuary from being a hated minority in the diaspora, an opportunity to establish Jewish values and honor God, a Biblical promise, a chance for redemption. As someone with years of interfaith experience I should have known all this, but I didn’t. For this, I blame both the exhaustive use (and some Israelis say abuse) of the Holocaust narrative from Zionists to win over Western populations, and also because in the U.S., interfaith work means talking about everything except Zionism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It shows the deep flaws in current interfaith models when the most burning issue remains unspoken.

But it did not remain unspoken in our program. As we learned and gained appreciation for the Biblical connection of the Holy Land to the Israeli people, the Palestinians remained at the forefront of our consciousness. In every session, dozens of times daily, we have pushed on the Palestinian issue. While we were challenged on our understanding of Zionism and the history of Jews and Israel, we challenged our professors from legal, historic, faith, human rights and national security perspectives to justify the treatment of Palestinians.

It was a frustrating cycle in which the conversation often ended at a version of one thought: “Most Israelis want to end the occupation but are afraid to.” Initially, this perpetual fear seemed like either an excuse or a deep collective pathology divorced from reality. It wasn’t until I met numerous Palestinians that I realized the fear many Israeli Jews have is not a figment of the imagination.

The despair and anger of a burgeoning population of young, unemployed, restricted, dislocated population which carries with it the pain of generations and assumes an apocalyptic end is real. We personally witnessed hundreds of Muslim men denied access to the Al-Aqsa mosque for Friday prayers, and their quiet rage, and even tears, at the young Israeli security personnel who blocked the entrances and themselves seemed scared and unsure. This pressure cooker cannot hold indefinitely.

Despite living on the front lives of this conflict, many Jewish friends at Hartman said it took the relationships built through the program for our Jewish friends to fully absorb the Palestinian narrative.

After a year we built the trust necessary for a needed exchange of admissions. The Muslim fellows understood Jewish fear and the Jews’ deep desire for a homeland after thousands of years of being a mistrusted minority. And Israeli Jews affirmed to us the daily devastation of the occupation and the shattering of Palestinians through which Israel was born. These exchanges between Zionists and pro-Palestinians were monumental.

They are also an affirmation that there is still hope for dialogue and relationships that can actually make a difference. Until now, both parties have been speaking inside their own bubbles, safe in dialogue with people that agree with them. The walls have been built so high that breaching them to reach out to the other side is tantamount to treason. Hartman and the participants both took huge risks in being part of this program with hopes to forge a new way forward. This fellowship proves that building relationships between people who fundamentally disagree can uncover empathy and mutual recognition that despite differences, everyone deserves dignity, security, prosperity and self-determination.

Rabia Chaudry is a fellow of the Truman National Security Project and the New America Foundation.